Extortion 17 - Aug 2011 Downing Kabul - Navy SEAL Team 6 - CIA, NSA, DOD in hot seat

SOURCE http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/contempt-citation-looming-for-dod-cia/ WND EXCLUSIVE Contempt citation looming for DoD, CIA? Attorney asks government to explain why it has refused to follow orders Published: 12 hours ago Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly three decades with the Associated Press, as well as several Upper Midwest newspapers, where he covered everything from legislative battles and sports to tornadoes and homicidal survivalists. He is also a photographer whose scenic work has been used commercially. A famed Washington watchdog attorney is asking the Department of Defense and Central Intelligence Agency to explain why it should not be held in contempt for failing to follow court instructions in a case over the helicopter crash that killed 30 Americans, including members of the Navy SEALs unit that killed Osama bin Laden. WND reported in 2014 Larry Klayman of Freedom Watch is representing the parents of some of the servicemen who were killed in Afghanistan Aug. 6, 2011, when a Chinook helicopter with the call sign Extortion 17 was shot down near Kabul. The parents believe there’s evidence their sons were sold out by Afghan turncoats who set up a Taliban ambush, while the Pentagon insists they were victims of a lucky shot with a rocket-propelled grenade. The victims were 25 American special ops fighters and five Army National Guard and Reserve crew members, along with seven Afghan commandos and one Afghan interpreter. The attack happened only a short time after Vice President Joe Biden revealed to the world that it was SEAL Team 6 that killed bin Laden. The Extortion 17 attack is considered the worst single loss of U.S. military life in the Afghanistan campaign. Klayman’s current complaint seeks information from several federal agencies, including the National Security Agency. Told through the eyes of current and former Navy SEALs, “Eyes on Target” is an inside account of some of the most harrowing missions in American history – including the mission to kill Osama bin Laden and the mission that wasn’t, the deadly attack on the U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi. The lawsuit alleges the defendants “have failed to make bona fide, good faith determinations about whether they will comply with plaintiff’s requests.” In the newest filing before U.S. District Judge Richard Leon, Klayman points out that the defendants have failed to follow the court’s schedule for production of information, and now they are not even meeting the deadlines they set themselves. “As predicted, defendants having previously violated this court’s order of Feb. 15, 2015, have now violated their own unilaterally imposed deadline which arrogantly gave themselves until June 30, 2015 to product documents,” Klayman wrote to the court this week. “As this court must be aware, this is not an ordinary Freedom of Information Act case, it involves obtaining records concerning the deaths of Navy SEAL Team 6 and other special operations forces on a mission with the call sign ‘Extortion 17.’ The families of these deceased heroes have been stonewalled by the Obama Department of Defense and the Obama National Security Agency in disrespect over their sons’ unexplained tragic deaths. “Many of these family members are undergoing psychological care over what has become a double tragedy: the deaths of their sons and the cover-up for which these family members feel betrayed by their own government,” he wrote. Klayman’s submission to the court notes that the court issued an order in February regarding the production of information. The defendants in the case so far have released one document, in March, the federal government said in a report to the court two months ago. Klayman previously brought to the attention of the court the government’s decision not to follow the court’s orders regarding the production of records, when the government not only missed a deadline but didn’t even seek to have the order modified. The court’s original schedule was to have the DoD and CIA release the pertinent records in stages, on March 20, April 3 and April 20. The original request sought, among other things, details about the decision “to invite a Muslim cleric to pray at the ramp ceremony in Afghanistan for the … U.S. servicemen.” Also, there are questions about the “missing” black box, the seven Afghani military members who were scheduled to be on the flight, but weren’t, and the seven Afghanis who replaced them. Earlier, Klayman said it’s always been hard to get information from the government. “This is because the attitude of government agencies in the executive branch – typically Congress has exempted itself from FOIA as it does not consider itself accountable to anyone – has always been, in Hamiltonian fashion, that ‘the people are a great beast’ and either do not deserve to be informed or do not have a say in governance, as they are inherently less able or intelligent,” he said then. But he said Obama has taken the position to a new level. “As a result, various public interest groups, the media and the citizenry in general have been stymied from learning the full truth about the myriad of scandals rocking the Obama administration, everything from IRS-gate, to Benghazi-gate, to Fast and Furious-gate, and Extortion 17-gate, where 17 Navy SEALS (including some who went on the mission that killed Osama Bin Laden), five other special ops forces and eight other servicemen died at the hands of the Taliban in a raid that some observers, like myself who represents some of the families of our heroes, feel was possibly compromised not just by the corrupt Afghani government that is infiltrated with Muslim terrorists but perhaps within our own government, including military brass,” he wrote. “We filed another lawsuit seeking to have the NSA and CIA cough up the records concerning Extortion 17. Yet, the Pentagon claims not to have and will thus not produce,” he said then. “My colleagues and I at Freedom Watch will not rest and will use all legal means to learn the truth about the downing of Extortion 17, as we owe a duty not just to the surviving family members we represent, but to other servicemen who are sent into wars only to be compromised by our president and his lackeys in the Defense Department.” The wrongful death lawsuit seeks more than $600 million in damages from the Taliban, al-Qaida, Iran, Afghanistan and others for the deaths of members of the U.S. military’s SEAL Team 6. The case alleges racketeering, terrorism and murder. It charges the terror groups are liable under America’s Anti-Terrorism Act for harboring or concealing terrorists, providing material support to a terror organization, wrongful death and more. The case traces back to Feb. 23, 1998, when the “terrorist organization Defendant Taliban, in concert with the terrorist organization Defendant al-Qaida, led by master terrorist leader Osama bin Laden, issued a fatwah (religious decree), dictating to all Muslim people to kill Americans and their allies – civilians and military – declaring that the slaying of Americans is an individual duty for every Muslim.” Bin Laden declared: “We – with God’s help – call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.” The case ties the declaration to the deaths of Michael Strange, a National Security Agency cryptologist for SEAL Team 6; Patrick Hamburger, an Army National Guard member; and John Douangdara, a Petty Officer 1st Class, in support of SEAL Team 6. Family members and survivors Charles and Mary Strange, Douglas and Shaune Hamburger and Phouthasith Douangdara are suing. The defendants are accused of “violating plaintiffs’ and decedents’ rights, for engaging in racketeering and other prohibited activities, for engaging in international terrorism, for harboring and concealing terrorists, for providing material support to terrorists and terrorist groups, for directly and proximately causing the deaths of plaintiffs’ decedents, and for directly and proximately causing mental anguish, severe emotional distress, emotional pain and suffering, and the loss of society, earnings, companionship, comfort, protecting, care, attention, advice, counsel or guidance.” The full list of defendants is the Islamic Republic of Iran, former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Hoseyni Khamenei, the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution, Afghanistan, President Hamid Karzai, the Afghan Operational Coordination Group, the Khasa Amalyati Qeta, Afghan National Security Forces, the Taliban and al-Qaida. It was a raid by Navy SEAL Team 6 that resulted in the killing of bin Laden on May 2, 2011, and made the service members and their families “a target for retaliatory attacks.” But the danger was relatively low because they hadn’t been identified. However, the lawsuit explains, Biden “intentionally released the name” of SEAL Team 6 to the world, prompting a horrified Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to explode: “Why doesn’t everybody just shut the —- up?” Only weeks later, the Taliban “shot down a U.S. Boeing CH-47D Chinook military helicopter, call sign Extortion 17 … killing 30 Americans.” SOURCE http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/contempt-citation-looming-for-dod-cia/ --------------------- COMMENT Very interesting article. Looks like the USG is covering up something.  Missing black box is very suspicious.  Either that, or they're maybe hard to retrieve from hostile territories?  This is why whistleblowers & whistleblower publishers like WikiLeaks are important. Maybe Joe Biden should have kept quiet?

Politico: "Israeli officials fail to quell Democratic revolt"

Israeli officials fail to quell Democratic revolt By Edward-Isaac Dovere 2/4/15 7:28 PM EST Updated 2/4/15 8:19 PM EST Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer and Knesset Speaker Yuli Edelstein rushed to meetings on Capitol Hill on Wednesday trying to calm a furor created by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s planned speech to Congress next month and quell a Democratic revolt that has dozens threatening a boycott. It didn’t work. If anything, Democrats finished the day more frustrated. According to a source in the room, one Jewish Democratic member of Congress even accused Dermer of being insincere when he claimed not to have anticipated the partisan uproar he’d ignite when he skirted protocol and went around the White House and scheduled the speech only with House Speaker John Boehner. White House press secretary Josh Earnest, meanwhile, dangled the possibility that the White House would have Vice President Joe Biden skip the speech in what the West Wing acknowledges would be a serious snub. The U.S. and Israeli alliance is rooted in deep defense, security, economic and investment ties, and all sides insisted the U.S. commitment to defend Israel is unaffected by the unseemly dispute of the last two weeks. And with Netanyahu on course to be reelected in March, he and President Barack Obama will need to find a way to talk again. But the ongoing dispute over the speech seemed likely to make that more difficult than ever. Biden has to date missed only one speech by a foreign leader at a joint session of Congress, Earnest said. The vice president really likes his ceremonial duties, he added, but might be busy on March 3, when Netanyahu is scheduled to deliver his warning to Congress about U.S. negotiations with Iran over its nuclear program. The Obama administration considers the talks an important diplomatic opening that could lead to the dismantling of Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Netanyahu believes Iran has no intention of holding to any deal and U.S. diplomats are being naive. The speech, which would also come just two weeks before Israeli elections, was widely interpreted as an attempt to rally opposition in Congress, which is considering legislation to try to block a deal. “The muddled manner in which this invitation to speak to Congress has been handled is striking,” said Edward Djerejian, a former ambassador to Israel and the founding director of Rice University’s Baker Institute for Public Policy. “This is an unnecessary irritant in the basic U.S.-Israeli relationship and it couldn’t come at a more delicate time, where the Middle East region is in such turbulence and there’s so many challenges.” Dermer and Edelstein running around the Hill on Wednesday is “symptomatic of what’s happened as a result of the speaker’s invitation and the prime minister’s acceptance of this speech,” said Martin Indyk, a former ambassador to Israel under Bill Clinton. If Dermer really wants to fix the problems created by the speech, goes the consensus among Democrats in Washington, he’ll need to do more than apologize: he and Netanyahu have to cancel or reschedule the speech. Otherwise, Wednesday won’t be the lowest point of the relationship. “It’s going to get worse: because Democrats, whether it’s Jewish Democratic congressmen, or Jewish voters for the Democratic Party — which is the majority of American Jewish voters … nobody wants to be part of that position,” Indyk said. Democrats who are supporters of Israel don’t want to have to choose between supporting Israel and supporting their president.” Earnest ducked answering whether Obama would ask Biden to attend the speech; an Oval Office meeting with the president has already been ruled out. Earnest acknowledged that a Biden snub might hurt Netanyahu in the Israeli elections March 17. [Josh Earnest, White House Press Secretary.] “We’ll see,” Earnest said. “As we consider the vice president’s attendance, that’s one of the factors that will weigh on that decision.”  Seven Jewish Democratic members of Congress who met Wednesday in Rep. Steve Israel’s (D-N.Y.) office — Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Ted Deutch of Florida, Jerry Nadler and Nita Lowey of New York, Sander Levin of Michigan and Jan Schakowsky of Illinois — lit into Dermer. The invitation, they said, was making them choose between Netanyahu and Obama, making support for Israel into a partisan issue that they never wanted it to be, and forcing them to consider a boycott of the speech. One member, according to someone in the room, went so far as to tell Dermer it was hard to believe him when he said he didn’t realize the partisan mess he was making by going around Obama to get Boehner to make the invitation. They suggested Netanyahu consider speaking to members of Congress privately, and not from the podium of the House. “There were a wide range of views that were discussed, but one thing we all agreed on emphatically is that Israel should never be used as a political football,” Israel told POLITICO. [No idea who this may be. ] As that was happening, a new diplomatic rift was opening. The Israelis sent Edelstein, a member of Netanyahu’s Likud party, to meet with Boehner. Boehner’s office remembered to invite Pelosi’s rival, Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), but left House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) out.  [Is this some kind of faux pas or an outright snub?] A spokesman for the Israeli embassy didn’t return a request for comment. Hoyer and House Foreign Relations Committee ranking member Eliot Engel, who’d also been invited, both pulled out when they realized Pelosi was being left out.  “Had we been told that Rep. Pelosi wanted to attend, she certainly would have been welcome,” explained Boehner spokesman Michael Steel afterward. By then the Israeli embassy was scrambling. Pelosi got her own meeting with Edelstein added to the schedule for Wednesday afternoon. She brought along Hoyer and Engel, as well as Assistant Democratic Leader Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) and Intelligence Committee ranking member Adam Schiff (D-Calif.). Pelosi’s office told POLITICO Tuesday that she’ll go to Netanyahu’s speech if it happens. But Wednesday, she used the Edelstein meeting to tear into the Israelis directly. Pelosi “expressed her concern that casting a political apple of discord into the relationship is not the best way forward given the formidable challenges our two countries are facing together,” said Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill. Dermer, meanwhile, scheduled another rushed meeting with Engel for Thursday. Nothing that happened Wednesday seems to have calmed the revolt that has dozens of Democrats considering skipping Netanyahu’s speech. Earnest said that the White House can see why they might. “Individual members of Congress will have to make their own decision, some of which I assume will be driven by their schedule and some of which will be driven by their own views about what has transpired over the last several weeks as it relates to this speech,” Earnest said. Asked whether the president believes the America-Israel relationship would be harmed by Democrats skipping the speech, Earnest ducked again. “The president believes that individual members of Congress will have to decide for themselves,” he said. Jake Sherman and John Bresnahan contributed to this report. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/israeli-officials-fail-to-quell-democratic-revolt-114923.html COMMENT This stuff sounds pretty exciting, but it's really not that big a deal (I think).  Hard to see any of it affecting US-Israel relations. LINKS Josh Earnest - White House Press Secretary - here. Democratic Rice University Assumed office:  June 2014 UPDATE Haartz article: Israeli foreign ministry receiving consul general reports of criticisms regarding planned Netanyahu speech. Criticism is mainly levelled at Benjamin Netanyahu,  Israel ambassador Ron Dermer and US speaker John Boehner. Main supporters of the Netanyahu speech are right winger types: Republican Jewish Coalition Zionist Organization of America and Christian evangelists. Netanyahu is determined to press on. More on ...  Consuls in U.S. warn: Israel's friends fear Netanyahu's speech to Congress will harm ties http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.640896

US Trying to Bring Veneuzuela Down / Biden Lobbying LatAm Countries, US Embassy Bribe, US Sanctions / Car Bomb

UNASUR to Review Evidence of US Interference in Venezuela Venezuela Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro met on Wednesday with Secretary General of the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR), Ernesto Samper. Published 4 February 2015 (1 hours 15 minutes ago) Speaking following their meeting in Caracas, the blocs chief thanked the Venezuelan president for his willingness to create dialogue with the opposition. Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro met with Secretary General of the Union of South American Nations (UNASUR), Ernesto Samper Wednesday in Caracas, asking the bloc's meditation on the interventionist actions carried out against the country by the United States. Maduro urged the United States to stop the aggressions and threats against Venezuela, saying his government is willing to initiate dialogue along with UNASUR in order to halt the violence in the South American country. Meanwhile the head of the regional bloc thanked Maduro for his willingness to ensure peace to Venezuela and said he will bring the evidence provided by the president's before UNASUR's Foreign Ministers Council. Samper also rejected any violent action threatening the country's stability and people. On Tuesday, Maduro said that he would seek to create a joint initiative between UNASUR and the Community of Latin American Nations (CELAC) in order to defend his country against interventionist measures carried out by the United States, which the leader maintains are aimed at toppling his government. The Venezuelan president said he had been told by other regional leader that U.S. Vice President Joe Biden had been telling other country’s to “isolate” Venezuela, adding that he had proof that the U.S. Embassy in Venezuela was attempting to bribe officials in order to turn against his government. The United States recently imposed new sanctions on the South American country, despite the unanimous declaration rejecting U.S. interference in the region at the recent CELAC Summit in Costa Rica. http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/UNASUR-to-Review-Evidence-of-US-Interference-in-Venezuela-20150204-0037.html SEE ALSO That article has been pulled & is a dead link, but this is still visible on the Google news feed search. Hey, I wonder if this is the CIA trying to knock off Maduro?  Or maybe it's just a warning?   Read the article via the cache the other day.  From recollection, the device was reportedly found in the petrol tank but wasn't properly hooked up to explode. COMMENT Trust Joe Biden to have a hand in this, like he's got a hand in Ukraine. Venezuela must be going down. Keep an eye on this.

USA - Presidential Race / Wealth vs Poverty & Misc.

U.S.A. Presidential Hopefuls Hillary Clinton took Monica's pal, Bill, to a Democratic Party event in #Iowa. Did not reveal if she is in as Pres. candidate running (Econ)  -- Note: Biden also attended & his mouth got him into strife with ADL) Census #US Census Bureau poverty rate drop @ 14.5% 2013, 4 all US / drop from 15% 2012 / Black @ 27% / Hispanics @ 24% >> http://goo.gl/aXg9py They Live They Rule "A corporate-managed state-capitalist pseudo-democracy that sells the narrow interests of the wealthy" .. http://goo.gl/YvSLV6  - Street http://www.truth-out.org/progressivepicks/item/26231-they-live-they-rule Powerful article.  Not sure what to make of it.  It sounds familiar.  But it also sounds like science fiction. Modern society has morphed into the realm of science fiction? Scary. 'War on Terror' Replaces Anti-Communism "Anti-communism was replaced by the "War on Terror", as the major social control mechanism" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent#cite_note-6 … Anti-Jewish Kentucky Senator Campaign Candidate 4 Senate #Kentucky Robert Ransdell campaigned with the slogan “With Jews we lose" - ADL not happy - [TimesofIsrael] -----------------------------------------------------    COMMENT So who's going to run for President:  Clinton or Biden? The press reckon Biden's mouth is always gettting him into strife, so the latest Biden clanger is probably true to form. There's a big gap between national poverty and poverty rates of blacks and hispanics. Whoever said 'War on Terror' has replaced anti-communism as a control mechanism is quite right, in my view.   Anyway, that's some of my online US-related travels.

Obama releases same old propaganda

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/214075-obama-pressures-putin-on-ukraine-missile-treaty

US and Russia break the silence ... er, since Tuesday.  LOL

Just some more White House propaganda of the 'raised concerns' kind.  LOL

So it is just Obama pointing the finger at Russia.

Biden's yapping about the $8 mil assistance in Ukraine.

Yeah, but whose assistance?   LOL

UKRAINE - WASHINGTON, SCUM & KEEPING IT IN THE FAMILY

Ukrainian Employer of Joe Biden’s Son Hires a D.C. Lobbyist Michael Scherer @michaelscherer July 7, 2014 An obscure private Ukrainian natural gas company has been hiring friends and family of Secretary of State John Kerry and Vice President Joe Biden, while seeking to influence Congress When Vice President Joe Biden’s son, R. Hunter Biden, joined the board of a private Ukrainian oil and natural gas company this spring, he explained his new job as a legal one, disconnected from any effort to influence the Obama Administration. In a press release, the younger Biden boasted of his abilities on issues like improving corporate transparency. [LOL] But the company, Burisma Holdings, did not disclose at the time the scope of their plans for influencing the U.S. government. Recently released documents show that Biden’s hiring coincided with the launch of a new effort to lobby members of Congress about the role of the company in Ukraine and the country’s quest for energy independence. David Leiter, a former Senate chief of staff to Secretary of State John Kerry, signed on to work as a lobbyist for Burisma on May 20, 2014, about a week after Biden announced he was joining the company, according to lobbying disclosures filed this month. Leiter’s involvement in the firm rounds out a power-packed team of politically-connected Americans that also includes a second new board member, Devon Archer, a Democratic bundler and former adviser to John Kerry’s 2004 presidential campaign. Both Archer and Hunter Biden have worked as business partners with Kerry’s son-in-law, Christopher Heinz, the founding partner of Rosemont Capital, a private-equity company. Biden’s office referred questions to a Burisma spokesman, who says Biden has not been involved in contacting members of Congress or the Obama Administration about the company. “His role, like all board members, is to provide strategic guidance to Burisma,” said Lawrence Pacheco, who works in Washington D.C. for FTI Consulting, a communications firm that is also employed by Burisma. But Burisma is contacting officials in Washington through Leiter’s lobbying firm, ML Strategies. “ML Strategies is working with Burisma to educate U.S. officials about the company and its role in creating a stable and secure energy future for Ukraine, not any specific policy or legislation,” Pacheco said. “Burisma supports energy independence, economic growth, national sovereignty and regional stability and will engage as needed to encourage efforts to further these goals.” Some Democratic senators, meanwhile, have been working to secure more U.S. funding, either directly or through entities like the Export-Import Bank, to improve Ukraine’s domestic energy production potential. On June 27, Sen. Edward Markey of Massachusetts, wrote President Obama a letter with three other Democratic senators calling for increased aid. “We should leverage the full resources and expertise of the U.S. government to assist Ukraine in improving its energy efficiency, increasing its domestic production, and reforming its energy markets,” wrote Markey, who has also proposed legislation with about $40 million in additional aide for Ukranian energy development.

Markey’s letter was trumpeted by Burisma Holdings as a commendable move towards securing the future security of Ukraine. “Burisma Holdings today applauded the range of U.S. legislative support for development of Ukraine’s broad and untapped resources and an increase in transparency and good governance,” the company said in a statement on the day the letter was released. An aide in Markey’s office told TIME that Leiter, Biden and Archer were not part of discussions that led to the drafting of the letter or the legislation. Staff for the other senators who signed the letter, Ron Wyden of Oregon, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire and Christopher Murphy of Connecticut, also said they did not have contact with Leiter, who could not be reached for comment. Burisma Holdings is owned by a Cypriot holding firm, Brociti Investments Limited, which is controlled Nikolai Zlochevskyi, a former Ukranian government minister, according to Cypriot records. It controls government development licenses in three regions of Ukraine, and sells to industrial customers in the country, according to the company. By taking a job with Burisma, the younger Biden has put himself in the middle of a struggle between the United States and Russia, which currently provides the bulk of the natural gas supplies to Ukraine. Both the White House and European nations have recently emphasized the strategic interest in making Ukraine less dependent on Russia. Since Hunter Biden took the new job, his father, Vice President Joe Biden, has continued to serve as the Obama Administration’s point person on Ukraine, traveling to the country as recently as June for the inauguration of President Petro Poroshenko and talking to Poroshenko by phone at least five times in the last month. ... There is no legal barrier to prohibit Hunter Biden from working with a company that can be impacted by the policy decisions of his father, and the White House has maintained that the Vice President has not been influenced by his son’s employment. “The Vice President does not endorse any particular company and has no involvement with this company,” said his spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff. But Hunter Biden’s new job, along with the association with Burisma of other politically-connected businessmen, has raised concerns among some Ukraine watchers. “It’s unhelpful when we are trying to get across to the Ukrainians to clean up corruption and special deals for special folks,” said Ed Chow, a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a U.S. think tank. “It maybe sends the wrong message that Westerners are just hypocritical.” http://time.com/2964493/ukraine-joe-biden-son-hunter-burisma/

Washington, scum & keeping it in the family.

GUARDIAN - MH17 - Hillary Clinton Crows - Action is needed! - Biden Still Yapping

The Guardian Article

MH17: Hillary Clinton says Russian-backed rebels likely shot down plane

Former US secretary of state declares 'Putin has gone too far' as White House criticises Kremlin's arming of Ukraine separatists

    Warren Murray and agencies
    theguardian.com, Friday 18 July 2014 13.41 AEST   

...

A series of remarks by Barack Obama, Joe Biden and John Kerry stopped short of directly blaming pro-Russia rebels for the missile attack on a civilian airliner that killed 298 people.

But Hillary Clinton, the former US secretary of state, was more potent in her statements, saying in a television interview that indications pointed at the Russian-backed side and action was needed to "put [Vladimir] Putin on notice that he has gone too far and we are not going to stand idly by".

Clinton said in an interview with Charlie Rose: "The questions I'd be asking is, number one, who could have shot it down? Who had the equipment? It's obviously an anti-aircraft missile. Who could have had the expertise to do that? Because commercial airlines are big targets, but by the time they got over that part of Ukraine they should have been high, so it takes some planning [to target such a plane].

"And the Ukrainian government has been quick to blame it on terrorists, which is their name for the Russian insurgents. And there does seem to be some growing awareness that it probably had to be Russian insurgents. [More LIES - they're UKRANIANS.  Simple.]

"Now, how we determine that will require some forensics, but then if there is evidence pointing in that direction, the equipment had to have come from Russia. What more the Russians may or may not have done, we don't know.

"Europeans have to be the ones to take the lead on this. It was a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur over European territory. There should be outrage in European capitals."

Joe Biden, the vice-president, said the plane had "apparently had been shot down. Shot down, not an accident. Blown out of the sky."

... article continues...

SOURCE - The Guardian - here.

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COMMENT




And the Guardian is publishing what this proven liar has to say -- why?

Here's a little blast from the past:

Meanwhile, Former Clinton advisor Dick Morris wrote:

 Hillary simply cannot tell the truth. Here's her scorecard:     

Admitted Lies

• Chelsea was jogging around the Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. (She was in bed watching it on TV.)

• Hillary was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. (She admitted she was wrong. He climbed Mt. Everest five years after her birth.)

• She was under sniper fire in Bosnia. (A girl presented her with flowers at the foot of the ramp.)

• She learned in The Wall Street Journal how to make a killing in the futures market. (It didn't cover the market back then.)

SOURCE - Patriot Post US - here.

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If that's not enough, here's Hillary & co on Benghazi:

Townhall.com Article

Hillary Clinton's Big Benghazi Lie
Katie Pavlich | May 08, 2013


 CAPITOL HILL - Testimony given Wednesday on Capitol Hill by Greg Hicks, Benghazi whistleblower and deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya, exposed former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as a liar.

Hicks, who was on the ground in Libya on September 11, 2012, said Clinton called him around 2 a.m. from Washington to ask "what was going on." Hicks responded by saying the consulate was under attack. He never told her about a protest outside the consulate because there wasn't one.

"The only report that our mission made through every channel was that this was an attack," Hicks said. "No protest."

In his recollection of events the night of September 11, 2012, Hicks stated that U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens called him and said, "We are under attack," just before he was brutally murdered and dragged through the streets. Again, no mention of a protest.

"The video was not instigative of anything that was going on in Libya," Hicks said. "We saw no demonstrations related to the video anywhere in Libya."

Hicks also noted that Twitter feeds were being monitored and showed Ansar al-Sharia took credit for the terrorist attack and had control of the hospital where Ambassador Stevens was taken.

Despite knowing Benghazi was a terrorist attack from the very beginning, after all she was briefed by Hicks who was on the ground, Clinton shamelessly stood in front of the flag draped caskets of dead Americans and blamed a YouTube video anyway. Watch starting at the 6 minute mark. [link to article - here]

    "We've seen rage and violence directed at American embassies over an awful internet video that we had nothing to do with. It is hard for the American people to make sense of that, because it is senseless and totally unacceptable."


 Shortly after, when violence in the Middle East was raging, President Obama in partnership with Hillary Clinton spent $70,000 in taxpayer money on a commercial that aired on Pakistani television apologizing for the "video."

    The American Embassy in Islamabad, in a bid to tamp down public rage over the anti-Islam film produced in the U.S., is spending $70,000 to air an ad on Pakistani television that features President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton denouncing the video.

    The State Department said Thursday the embassy had compiled brief clips of Obama and Clinton rejecting the contents of the movie and extolling American tolerance for all religions into a 30-second public service announcement that is running on seven Pakistani networks. Obama and Clinton's comments, which are from previous public events in Washington, are in English but subtitled in Urdu, the main Pakistani language.

    Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the aim was to get the messages to the widest possible audience in Pakistan, where tens of thousands of protestors angry about the film tried to reach the U.S. embassy before being turned back by Pakistani police. She said embassy staffers had decided the ads were the best way to spread the word. The seven networks have a potential audience of 90 million people, she added.

And then of course, Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice went on five Sunday talk shows to blame the video.

 And so did President Barack Obama and White House Press Secretary Jay Carney.

    "It is in response to a video." -Jay Carney September 14, 2012.


President Barack Obama blamed the irrelevant video in front of the world at the United Nations. Not to mention, Obama  described the man who made the video, who is still in jail after being dragged out of his house and arrested in the middle of the night, a "shadowy character."

    "It was a crude and disgusting video. I have made it clear the United States government had nothing to do with this video."

Hillary Clinton lied, Rice lied, Barack Obama lied, Jay Carney lied, the Obama administration lied. The men in Libya were left to die as military forces were told to stand down.

 Bring on the perjury hearings. What difference does it make? A big difference.

SOURCE - TOWNHALL.COM - here.

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How many times has this lying old crow called:  Action is needed?

Some please tell me why she's even getting the time of day?

Pack of liars.

New York Times Opinion - It's all Putin's fault - Biden still yapping

The New York Times Article

Vladimir Putin Can Stop This War
Downing of Malaysia Jet Is a Call to End Ukraine Conflict

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD JULY 17, 2014

Growing casualties on the ground, a major escalation of American sanctions against Russia, a military plane shot down and now the appalling destruction of a Malaysian jetliner with 298 people on board, destroyed by a surface-to-air missile. The Ukrainian conflict has gone on far too long, and it has become far too dangerous.

There is one man who can stop it — President Vladimir Putin of Russia, by telling the Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine to end their insurgency and by stopping the flow of money and heavy weaponry to those groups. But for all his mollifying words and gestures, Mr. Putin has only continued to stoke the flames by failing to shut down those pipelines, failing to support a cease-fire and avoiding serious, internationally mediated negotiations.

President Obama was fully justified in announcing tough new sanctions; the European Union imposed its own less-stringent measures.

It may take a while to fully sort out exactly who is responsible for downing Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over eastern Ukraine, which Vice President Joseph Biden Jr. said was “blown out of the sky.” American officials said the plane was hit by a Russian-made missile. The pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine have denied that they were responsible.

However it happened, it is the worst catastrophe of an increasingly costly and brutal conflict that could and should have ended long ago. If Mr. Putin wanted to make a political point about Russian interests, he made it weeks ago. His sole, cynical interest now is apparently to hurt and punish Ukraine. Mr. Putin and those who support him seem incapable of accepting that their model of government, with all its cronyism, corruption and bullying, is not the one many former Soviet subjects want.  [So they want US cronyism, corruption and bullying?  LOL]

The Russian leaders prefer not to accept that the C.I.A.*did not engineer the preference of many Ukrainians for what they see in the West. They prefer to proclaim that Russia is the victim of American designs and manipulation — a claim Mr. Putin invoked again in response to the sanctions. 

The new sanctions from Washington, which target some of Russia’s largest energy companies and banks and more of its senior officials, are not likely to change Mr. Putin’s mind. But they, along with lesser but still significant European sanctions, should make clear to him that the West will not back down. [The extra-national orgs gang is with you on this?]

And if that fails, how can the innocent victims in the Malaysian jetliner not impress on him that this useless contest must be ended now? [How low can NYT go?]
SOURCE - New York Times - here.

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    *Covert United States foreign regime change actions

        1949..........Syrian.coup.d'état
        1953..........Iranian.coup.d'état
        1954..........Guatemalan.coup.d'état
        1959..........Tibetan.uprising
        1961..........Cuba,.Bay.of.Pigs.Invasion
        1963..........South.Vietnamese.coup
        1964..........Brazilian.coup.d'état
        1973..........Chilean.coup.d'état
        1976..........Argentine.coup.d'état
        1979–89....Afghanistan,.Operation.Cyclone
        1980..........Turkish.coup.d'état
        1981–87....Nicaragua,.Contras
        2011–........Syrian.uprising

        [wikipedia]

So now it's up to Putin to solve what they've created?

And the downing of the jet justifies their sanctions?

No mention is made of their real agenda.

Biden gets to yap some more.

And let's pretend it's THE WEST now; not US corporate & strategic agenda that's the driving force in this grab for Ukraine.

The extra-national gang that the US has formed is a great tool; US gets to duck and weave (on a 'my needy European posse' basis) to leverage what Corporate America (& US military strategy) wants -- without having to squarely face off anybody one-on-one or take responsibility (they're hiding behind the skirts of EU, NATO, UN etc).

It's pretty low blaming Russia for what's going on there in Ukraine, and particularly low to try to tarnish the Russians over that downed Malaysian flight.

How about the US pulls out of everywhere it's not wanted around the world?

Naaaah, no chance of that.

Biden yapping will echo around the news stories

Biden says downed jet apparently "blown out of the sky"

Reuters-6 minutes ago

"This is truly a grave situation," Biden said in a speech in Detroit. He said he had ... He spoke by phone to Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko. Speaking of ..

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More of Biden's hysteria & propaganda.

Expect this to keep being echoed in news stories.

AUSTRALIA - Tony Abbott comments -- & Biden nips at the heels

Reuters Article

Downing of Malaysian plane 'unspeakable crime' if proven: Australia's Abbott

By Jane Wardell

SYDNEY Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:24pm EDT


(Reuters) - Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said that if the downing of a Malaysian airliner over eastern Ukraine was a deliberate act, then "it is an unspeakable crime" and the perpetrators must be swiftly brought to justice.

Abbott said on Friday that he believed at least 23 Australians were on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.

Abbott was speaking shortly after the European head of Malaysia Airlines said at least 27 Australians were among the 295 passengers on the flight.

If the numbers are confirmed, Australians would represent the second-largest national grouping, behind the Dutch, on the plane that crashed on Thursday.

"It is a very, very sad time, made worse by reports that it might be a crime rather than an accident," Abbott said.

Ukrainian authorities have accused "terrorists" - militants fighting to unite eastern Ukraine with Russia - of shooting down the Boeing 777-200. The rebels denied responsibility.

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden said the downing of the airliner apparently was "not an accident" and that it was "blown out of the sky". "If it does turn out that this aircraft was brought down by a surface to air missile, there is no doubt that this would be, under those circumstances, an unspeakable crime and the perpetrators should swiftly be brought to justice," Abbott said.

Abbott declined to be drawn on the reason for the crash, saying all reports remained unconfirmed.

"We just have all sorts of reports and claims flying around," he said. "That's all we have at the moment, reports and claims."

Abbott said he planned to speak with Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak later on Friday and that Australia would deploy staff to Kiev to assist in an investigation.

Asked if he would still welcome Russian President Vladimir Putin to Australia for the G20 Leaders Summit later this year if Russia were proved to be behind the accident, Abbott hinted there may be repercussions.

"That's a fair question, let's just wait and see exactly what turns out to have happened here," he said.

"But obviously, it is the clear and settled decision of the Australian government that larger countries should not bully smaller ones, that countries should not aid people who are in rebellion against their own government and that international disputes should be settled peacefully in accordance with international law." 

[Does that mean that US & its gang will stop meddling around the world?]

Australia is hosting the G20 Leaders Summit in Brisbane in November.


SOURCE - Reuters - here.

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The more I read the more I'm convinced this is a set up.
Evidence? 
I'm unlikely to believe any evidence that lot comes up with.
Anyone could have shot it down.
Right now there's a fear that arming those in Syria (I think it was), might result in the other side getting their hands on weapons.
Well, who is to say which side had the weapons in the Ukraine and who ultimately fired?
It's just more of the same drama that's been played out worldwide for how long now?


I don't believe anything the US lot are involved in:

Covert United States foreign regime change actions

• 1949..........Syrian.coup.d'état
• 1953..........Iranian.coup.d'état
• 1954..........Guatemalan.coup.d'état
• 1959..........Tibetan.uprising
• 1961..........Cuba,.Bay.of.Pigs.Invasion
• 1963..........South.Vietnamese.coup
• 1964..........Brazilian.coup.d'état
• 1973..........Chilean.coup.d'état
• 1976..........Argentine.coup.d'état
• 1979–89....Afghanistan,.Operation.Cyclone
• 1980..........Turkish.coup.d'état
• 1981–87....Nicaragua,.Contras
• .2011–.......Syrian.uprising

[wikipedia]

Brisbane was probably chosen for the G20 Summit (which attracts protesters) because Brisbane's something of a police state.

If there's protesters, they can expect to have the living crap beaten out of them.

MALAYSIA AIRLINES MH17 - US to assist in investigation - Biden yapping at the heels

Wall Street Journal

2:38 pm ET
Jul 17, 2014

Obama: U.S. Will Assist Malaysia Airlines Crash Investigation


WASHINGTON–President Barack Obama on Thursday said the U.S. would assist in determining the cause of the crash of a Malaysia Airlines plane near the Russia-Ukraine border, telling Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko in a call that evidence at the crash site must “remain in place” until international investigators arrive.

Mr. Obama  called the crash of a Malaysia Airlines ... plane near the Russia-Ukraine border an apparent tragedy. He added he had directed his national security team to stay in close contact with the Ukrainian government.

“The United States will offer any assistance we can to help determine what happened and why,” he said in brief remarks ahead of a planned speech on infrastructure in Delaware, noting officials were trying to determine if American citizens were on board.

“The world is watching reports of a downed passenger near the Russia-Ukraine border,” he said. “And it looks like it may be a terrible tragedy.”

Mr. Obama spoke with Mr.  Poroshenko by phone later to offer “all possible assistance immediately,” the White House said.

Both leaders warned against tampering with the wreckage. “All evidence from the crash site must remain in place on the territory of Ukraine until international investigators are able to examine all aspects of the tragedy,” the White House said.

In another call, Mr. Obama offered condolences to Prime Minister Najib Razak and told the Malaysian leader the U.S. stood ready “to provide any assistance or support necessary,” the White House said

Vice President Joe Biden on Thursday also spoke with Mr. Poroshenko and offered U.S. assistance to determine the cause of crash.

Mr. Biden, speaking at a conference in Detroit, said Mr. Poroshenko had accepted the offer and the U.S. would send a team to Ukraine “to determine what happened.” Additional details, such as timing or the team’s makeup, weren’t immediately available.

Mr. Biden said the plane “apparently had been shot down — shot down, not an accident, blown out of the sky.” He said this “is a truly grave situation” and “there are many questions that need to be answered, and we’ll get those answers and then we’ll take the next steps accordingly.” [Biden's a creep; this is right down his alley.]

U.S. intelligence agencies believe the plane was hit by a surface-to-air missile.

Earlier in the day, Mr. Obama spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin  and reports of the downed jet were briefly discussed. A White House official said the president was also briefed about the crash. The president didn’t note the conversation or conflicting reports of how the plane crashed.

 SOURCE - Wall Street Journal - here.

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How fortuitous for Biden.

Guess he's just one really, really lucky guy.

Who is Joe Biden?

JOE BIDEN

Joseph Robinette Biden (Junior)

Vice President of the United States
Democratic Party

US Senator from Delaware 1973-2009
A former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, dealing with issues related to drug policy, crime prevention, and civil liberties:

• Violent Crime Control
• Law Enforcement Act
• Violence Against Women Act

Biden has been heavily involved in Obama's decision-making process.

Biden’s ‘ability to negotiate with Congressional Republicans played a key role in bringing about the bipartisan deals ...

”Biden attended the University of Delaware in Newark, where he was more interested in sports and socializing than in studying, although his classmates were impressed by his cramming abilities.”

.... “Syracuse University College of Law ... receiving a half scholarship based on financial need with some additional assistance based in part upon academics.”

”Biden received five student draft deferments during this period, with the first coming in late 1963 and the last in early 1968 at the peak of the Vietnam War.”

“In April 1968, he was reclassified by the Selective Service System as not available for service due to having had asthma as a teenager.”

“Biden was generally supportive of the war during much of this time and never became part of the anti-Vietnam War movement; he would later say that at the time he was preoccupied with marriage and law school, and that he "wore sports coats ... not tie-dyed".”

”Regarding foreign policy, during his first decade in the Senate, Biden focused on arms control issues.”

Biden ... long-time member and former chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.


BOSNIAN WAR

Lobbied for U.S. military  intervention during the Bosnian War.

”Biden was among the first to call for the "lift and strike" policy of lifting the arms embargo, training Bosnian Muslims and supporting them with NATO air strikes, and investigating war crimes.”

“Both the George H. W. Bush administration and Clinton administration were reluctant to implement the policy, fearing Balkan entanglement.” [AS IF ... LOL]

“Biden wrote an amendment in 1992 to compel the Bush administration to arm the Bosnians...”

“... deferred in 1994 to a somewhat softer stance preferred by the Clinton administration, before signing on the following year to a stronger measure sponsored by Bob Dole and Joe Lieberman.
 
SAY HELLO TO:

1995 NATO bombing campaign in Bosnia and Herzegovina

FOLLOWED BY:  Dayton Agreement.

“Biden has called his role in affecting Balkans policy in the mid-1990s his "proudest moment in public life" that related to foreign policy.”

“In 1999, during the Kosovo War, Biden supported the NATO bombing campaign against Serbia and Montenegro...

“... co-sponsored with his friend John McCain the McCain-Biden Kosovo Resolution, which called on President Clinton to use all necessary force, including ground troops, to confront Milosevic over Serbian actions in Kosovo.”

Biden ...

“NATO enlargement and the successful passage of bills to streamline foreign affairs agencies and punish religious persecution overseas.”

1991 – GULF WAR

Biden had voted against authorization for the Gulf War in 1991...said the U.S. was bearing almost all the burden in the anti-Iraq coalition.

2001 -  AFGHANISTAN WAR

Biden pro 2001 war in Afghanistan, saying:

"Whatever it takes, we should do it."

2002 - IRAQ

“Biden stated in 2002 that Saddam Hussein was a threat to national security, and that there was no option but to eliminate that threat.”

“The Bush administration rejected an effort Biden undertook with Senator Richard Lugar to pass a resolution authorizing military action only after the exhaustion of diplomatic efforts.”

“2002, Biden voted in favor of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq, justifying the Iraq War.”

“While he soon became a critic of the war and viewed his vote as a "mistake", he did not push to require a U.S. withdrawal.”

“He supported the appropriations to pay for the occupation...”

“... argued repeatedly that the war should be internationalized, that more soldiers were needed, and that the Bush administration should "level with the American people" about the cost and length of the conflict.”

”By late 2006, Biden's stance had shifted, and he opposed the troop surge of 2007, saying General David Petraeus was "dead, flat wrong" in believing the surge could work.”

“Biden was instead a leading advocate for dividing Iraq into a loose federation of three ethnic states.”

“... 2006, Biden and Leslie H. Gelb, President Emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, released a comprehensive strategy to end sectarian violence in Iraq.”

“Rather than continuing the present approach or withdrawing, the plan called for "a third way":  federalizing Iraq and giving Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis "breathing room" in their own regions.“

“2007 ..  a non-binding resolution passed the Senate endorsing such a scheme.

However, the idea was unfamiliar, had no political constituency, and failed to gain traction.”

“Iraq's political leadership united in denouncing the resolution as a de facto partitioning of the country, and the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad issued a statement distancing itself.”

LIBYA

'2004 - Biden secured the brief release of Libyan democracy activist and political prisoner Fathi Eljahmi, after meeting with leader Muammar Gaddafi in Tripoli.

2008 -  “Biden sharply criticized President George W. Bush for his speech to Israel's Knesset in which he suggested that some Democrats were acting in the same way some Western leaders did when they appeased Hitler in the runup to World War II.

Biden stated: "This is bullshit. This is malarkey. This is outrageous.

Outrageous for the president of the United States to go to a foreign country, sit in the Knesset ... and make this kind of ridiculous statement."

Biden later apologized for using the expletive. Biden further stated, "Since when does this administration think that if you sit down, you have to eliminate the word 'no' from your vocabulary?" '

[Source:  wikipedia]
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Council on Foreign Relations sounds like the US 'war house'.


Joe Biden sounds like a jock.

And he hasn't personally seen active military service -- or any military service.

But, hey, he's happy to make war -- and is proud of making war on foreign soil.



Some NGO turned charity ought to do a worldwide survey, asking:

Is Joe Biden the most hated man on the planet? 

If he can do deals with Republicans to get things done and if that's why he's so handy, he's got to be slime.

Not sure what the Israel-Knesset stuff even means.


Did notice that former General David Petraeus got a mention.

So Biden reckons he knows more than a general.

Must read the General David Petraeus Rolling Stone interview with Hastings.

Remember not thinking much about it at the time.  Not interested in politics or politics of war at the time.

However, I did feeling sorry for Petraeus ... I thought he let his guard down and it seemed like this 'intimacy' or whatever it was, was perhaps exploited.

The above isn't some statement about war sides or anything; I don't know about that.  It is just my initial impressions back then.

Anyway, no wonder Biden's got his snout stuck in Ukraine.  It's right down his alley.  LOL!